almost
like a
prophecy
i wrote
"what if
he dies?"
in public
and now he
has passed.
so the
"what if"
is now.
+ an + ~ ~ : (t . !
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:35:45 +0300 (EEST)
From: . <@an.org>
To: <@ripe.net>
Subject: postel
kirjoitin taannoin Hesarin verkkoliitteeseen otsikolla:
"mitä jos Jon Postel kuolee?"
jossa löpisin mm. tyyliin:
"Kaikeksi onneksi Postel ja muut, internetiä pitkälle omin käsin
pystyttäneet pioneerit, ovat yhä aktiivisia. He laativat rakentavia
ehdotuksia verkkotulevaisuudesta lähes entiseen tahtiin."
http://www.netppl.fi/~/inet97/hesari/ on se juttu.
nyt tuntuu aika oudolta.
varmaan ripessäkin suruaika.
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:32:55 +0300 (EET DST)
From: . <@netppl.fi>
To: <@sanoma.fi>
Cc: @sanoma.fi
Subject: RE: Jon Postel (fwd)
vastaan mielelläni kaikkiin kysymyksiin noihin sankareihin, DNS:ään, ja
nyt tekeillä olevaan "new iana" eli ifwp:n pohjalta julkaistuun ICANN
(Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers) liittyen. Nuo asiat
ovat olleet Suomessa aivan liian huonosti esillä, mistä kyllä taidan saada
syyttää itseäni.
IANA oli postelin elämäntyö, molemmat ovat nyt siirtymässä historiaan.
Jotenkin tuntuu symboliselta. IANA:n nimessä ei olisi koskaan ollut sanaa
"corporation" mikä tuota korvaavaa ICANN:a ajaa.
Jonillahan oli uusia ajatuksia mm. .us -domainin käytöstä, josta hän oli
puhellut jenkkien postilaitoksen kanssa. Siitä juuri kysyin häneltä
kesällä.
Saa nähdä miten tässä nyt käy. IANA:n siteä ei ole päivitetty 16. päivän
jälkeen eikä kukaan vielä tiedä kenellä oikeastaan olisi oikeus operoida
IANA:aa. Wired otsikoi juuri pari viikkoa sitten, että kokouksissa oli
saatu päätettyä tyyliin: "what is known but who not" eli ICANN:n tms.
IANA:n (Postelin) korvaavan organisaation tehtävät tiedetään, muttei sitä
kuka niistä saa/voi ottaa vastuun.
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:12:15 +0300 (EET DST)
From: . <@netppl.fi>
To: @sanoma.fi, @sanoma.fi
Subject: Re: Jon Postel (fwd)
tuosta on kyllä ihan oikeasti outo olo.
vint cerfkään ei ole enää mikään ihan
nuori mies. sehän osallistui meidän
nuorisopaneeliin kesällä ja kuunteli
kyynelsilmin kiitospuhettani. netti
on just siitä ihana, kun alkuunpanijat
ovat olleet mukana. niin kuin Malesian
hengessä kirjoitin klikin silloin:
" Kaikeksi onneksi Postel ja muut, internetiä pitkälle omin käsin
pystyttäneet pioneerit, ovat yhä aktiivisia. He laativat rakentavia
ehdotuksia verkkotulevaisuudesta lähes entiseen tahtiin."
hirvittävä houkutus tietysti tulee tällä
jutulla mässäillä, toisaalta en missään
tapauksessa halua legendoida tuota
tragiikkaa. jotenkin silti tuntuu, että
pitäisi saattaa tuo ainakin joidenkin
mieliin jäänyt kirjoitus loppuun.
en ole koskaan kuullutkaan tuosta patrikista
ennen. silloin jutun julkaisun aikoihinhan
koitin kysellä palautteen perään, mutta ilmeisesti
sitä ei hesarin maailmassa paljoa elä. näköjään
sen joku kuitenkin luki.
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 14:06:38 +0300 (EET DST)
From: . <@netppl.fi>
To: Patrik A. <@clinet.fi>
Subject: Re: Jon Postel
huh.
juuri tavattiin kesällä genevessä.
iana:n ehdotukset ifwp-tapaamisten
pohjaltahan Jon julkaisin jokin aika
sitten.
"uuden ianan" syntytuskiahan tässä
juuri nyt käydään läpi.
en ollut viikonloppuna verkossa,
kuulin nyt asiasta ensi kertaa
.. kiittää kai pitäisi forwista,
mutta järkytys vie nyt voiton.
ei voi kuin toivoa, ettei miehen
työ valunut hukkaan. ei se kyllä
ole oikeastaan mahdollistakaan.
ihmisenä hänestä pitivät kaikki,
vastustajansakin sympatioivat.
tuntuu, kuin koko internet olisi
nyt jotenkin muuttunut.
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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 12:05:48 +0300 (EEST)
From: Patrik A. <@clinet.fi>
To: @netppl.fi
Subject: Jon Postel
Hei,
Kirjoittelit Verkkoliitteeseen 28.7.1997 otsikolla
"Mitä jos Jon Postel kuolee?"
Jon Postel kuoli pari päivää sitten.
Patrik
[email protected]
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From: "Siegfried Langenbach" <[email protected]>
Sender: @ripe.net
To: @ripe.net
Subject: John Postel is dead !
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 08:22:52 +0100
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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:54:58 -0400
From: Gordon Cook <@cookreport.com>
Reply-To: @ifwp.org
To: IFWP Discussion List <@ifwp.org>
Subject: [ifwp] Fwd: IP: Remembrance/postel
very sad news, I knew he was SERIOUSLY ill but people had assured me
that
he was expected to recover.
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>I, and others I fear, have spent a sleepless night after hearing of the
>death of Jon Postel last night. This morning there was a note in my mail
>box from Vint Cerf that said many of the things I feel at this time. I
>asked him for permission to send on which he granted.
>
>I also remember Jon. I was his primary thesis advisor along with Jerry
>Estrin and I remember with fond memories the months spent closely working
>with Jon while his eager mind developed the ideas in back of what was a
>pioneering thesis that founded the area of protocol verification. Since
I
>was at UC Irvine and Jon at UCLA we used to meet in the morning prior to
>my ride to UCI at a Pancake House in Santa Monica for breakfast and the
>hard work of developing a thesis. I gained a great respect for Jon then
>and 10 pounds of weight.
>
>I will miss him greatly. Jon was my second Ph.D. student. The first,
>Philip Merlin, also died way before his time.
>
>Dave
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>
> October 17, 1998
>
>I REMEMBER IANA
>
>Vint Cerf
>
>A long time ago, in a network, far far away, a great adventure took
place^Å
>
>Out of the chaos of new ideas for communication, the experiments, the
>tentative designs, and crucible of testing, there emerged a cornucopia of
>networks. Beginning with the ARPANET, an endless stream of networks
>evolved, and ultimately were interlinked to become the Internet. Someone
>had to keep track of all the protocols, the identifiers, networks and
>addresses and ultimately the names of all the things in the networked
>universe. And someone had to keep track of all the information that
>addresses and ultimately the names of all the things in the networked
>universe. And someone had to keep track of all the information that
>erupted with volcanic force from the intensity of the debates and
>discussions and endless invention that has continued unabated for 30
>years. That someone was Jonathan B. Postel, our Internet Assigned Numbers
>Authority, friend, engineer, confidant, leader, icon, and now, first of
>the giants to depart from our midst.
>
>Jon, our beloved IANA, is gone. Even as I write these words I cannot
quite
>grasp this stark fact. We had almost lost him once before in 1991. Surely
>we knew he was at risk as are we all. But he had been our rock, the
>foundation on which our every web search and email was built, always
there
>to mediate the random dispute, to remind us when our documentation did
not
>do justice to its subject, to make difficult decisions with apparent
ease,
>and to consult when careful consideration was needed. We will survive our
>loss and we will remember. He has left a monumental legacy for all
>Internauts to contemplate. Steadfast service for decades, moving when
>others seemed paralyzed, always finding the right course in a complex
>minefield of technical and sometimes political obstacles.
>
>Jon and I went to the same high school, Van Nuys High, in the San
Fernando
>Valley north of Los Angeles. But we were in different classes and I
really
>didn^Òt know him then. Our real meeting came at UCLA when we became a
part
>of a group of graduate students working for Prof. Leonard Kleinrock on
the
>ARPANET project. Steve Crocker was another of the Van Nuys crowd who was
>part of the team and led the development of the first host-host protocols
>for the ARPANET. When Steve invented the idea of the Request for Comments
>series, Jon became the instant editor. When we needed to keep track of
all
>the hosts and protocol identifiers, Jon volunteered to be the Numbers
Czar
>and later the IANA once the Internet was in place.
>
>Jon was a founding member of the Internet Architecture Board and served
>continuously from its founding to the present. He was the FIRST
individual
>member of the Internet Society I know, because he and Steve Wolff raced
to
>see who could fill out the application forms and make payment first and
>Jon won. He served as a trustee of the Internet Society. He was the
>custodian of the .US domain, a founder of the Los Nettos Internet
service,
>and, by the way, managed the networking research division of USC
>Information Sciences Institute.
>
>Jon loved the outdoors. I know he used to enjoy backpacking in the high
>Sierras around Yosemite. Bearded and sandaled, Jon was our resident
>hippie-patriarch at UCLA. He was a private person but fully capable of
>engaging photon torpedoes and going to battle stations in a good
>engineering argument. And he could be stubborn beyond all expectation. He
>could have outwaited the Sphinx in a staring contest, I think.
>
>Jon inspired loyalty and steadfast devotion among his friends and his
>colleagues. For me, he personified the words ^Óselfless service.^Ô For
>nearly 30 years, Jon has served us all, taken little in return, indeed
>sometimes receiving abuse when he should have received our deepest
>appreciation. It was particularly gratifying at the last Internet Society
>meeting in Geneva to see Jon receive the Silver Medal of the
International
>Telecommunications Union. It is an award generally reserved for Heads of
>State but I can think of no one more deserving of global recognition for
>his contributions.
>
>While it seems almost impossible to avoid feeling an enormous sense of
>loss, as if a yawning gap in our networked universe had opened up and
>swallowed our friend, I must tell you that I am comforted as I
contemplate
>what Jon has wrought. He leaves a legacy of edited documents that tell
our
>collective Internet story, including not only the technical but also the
>poetic and whimsical as well. He completed the incorporation of a
>successor to his service as IANA and leaves a lasting legacy of service
to
>the community in that role. His memory is rich and vibrant and will not
>fade from our collective consciousness. ^ÓWhat would Jon have done?^Ô we
>will think, as we wrestle in the days ahead with the problems Jon kept so
>well tamed for so many years.
>
>There will almost surely be many memorials to Jon^Òs monumental service
to
>the Internet Community. As current chairman of the Internet Society, I
>pledge to establish an award in Jon^Òs name to recognize long-standing
>service to the community, the Jonathan B. Postel Service Award, which is
>awarded to Jon posthumously as its first recipient.
>
>If Jon were here, I am sure he would urge us not to mourn his passing but
>to celebrate his life and his contributions. He would remind us that
there
>is still much work to be done and that we now have the responsibility and
>the opportunity to do our part. I doubt that anyone could possibly
>duplicate his record, but it stands as a measure of one man^Òs
asshing
>contribution to a community he knew and loved.
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